Do you rednecks and white trash go out of your way to get the their wrong every single time? Ive never had an issue with CTD in a decade. I have LOUDLY mentioned their treachery on the dozens of FB groups I belong to. because Im sure you dont live in illinios. But theyve already heard from their customers about the IFMA sell-out. thats what matter and they put that last. Mostly out of states with onerous laws and heavy taxation. After the backlash he closed down the store and retired. COPYRIGHT 2021, THETRUTHABOUTGUNS.COM. These two companies MUST be boycotted into bankruptcy. Peoplr lose jobs, get divorced, buy better guns and so on. Keyboard commandos wont fight it out on any battlefield. If one of them didnt actually know about this then thats really not fair. When a big box store is competitive on price with the local gun shop, you know there is a problem. IFMAs Keller testified in March at the Illinois Senate Judiciary committee of his willingness to consider dropping the lobbying groupsopposition to the bill if his clients were exempted. This rifle is fed by a 10-round AICS-pattern detachable box magazine. Its like saying Saturn is really, really big, and huge, too! But I didnt detect a lot of love in his words. AR-10-style rifles, the Rock River Arms LAR-8 stands alone. No they dont. had I known earlier, I might have bought a few more colt revolvers..god I wish Id known. Id say they are a step above most other production 1911s. When I found out that they hire Vets to assemble and test them, it was icing on the cake and I got one for low $400s. Ruger was making superior quality products using totally American resources. If truth about guns knows whats good for them, theyll be taking this story down and apologizing publicly for spreading untrue assumptions. Both Ruger and S&W learned from their mistakes, I do not know if these two can. Or in the General Assembly. The RBG-1S is available in .308 Win./7.62x51 and 6.5 Creedmoor, with a 20-, 22- or 24-inch barrel, and a black, green or tan stock. My time stinks apparently. Divide & conquer. At least the company would survive, even if the move was costly. Springfield is DEAD to me. They hate this stuff because opponents can use it. The silent majority will get the shaft, not gonna be any civil war, get over yourself. Rock River Arms (RRA) has introduced a new AR-style rifle to its lineup, designed specifically with the modern hunter in mind, with the new All Terrain Hunter (ATH). They are more than welcome in southern Indiana. The rifle comes fully loaded with a Rock River two-stage I buy and shoot a lot of guns, and this includes SA models, but I have put them on notice that I will never buy another unless they make this right. They mustve been channeling Bill Ruger. Now I wish I had not. It might not have, but then again, if Senator Harmon didnt think it wouldnt have gotten himthat last vote or two he needed, he wouldnthave offered the deal. If these dam gun man. Why does anyone ever even try to work with them? Springfield cleaning to get the taint out of there. How does what a lobbying group receives from a company 3 years ago translate to what the lobbying group does in the present? Even being on this site makes you a hypocrite because TTAG regularly advertised for Glock, S&W and Springfield. Great gun. I hope they go out of business and leave the dishonesty to our opponents. I would say that Ruger has done more to support the 2A than all other companies combined. theyre NOT trapped in Illinois,they can relocate,same as other gun companies have done. CMMG .300 blackout will become my next purchase. In short, this means rifle-makers need to adapt, and one company taking that step is Rock River Arms (RRA) with its LAR-15 Operator III in 5.56mm NATO. Pretty small and isolated country town. An M1A was at the top of my wish list that I saving for. The ATH V2 comes with an 18-inch, stainless steel, As if they want to implode. my first AR was a rock river arms rrage. Your Price: $744.13. once you jump in bed with the marketing types. Probably go back to looking at CZ and Walther offerings. The licensing fee? Cant this fool see how much this is going to hes going to hurt his own pocketbook for this tiny edge? That is amazingly Grow the hell up and when you get some big boy panties and own your own business you will understand how it works. Never bought anything Springfield Armory, never will! There is a story of a guy that got run out of business after a hurricane because he jacked his prices up for generators. chamber also differ from the 5.56 mm NATO chamber Go and ask them and Youtube/Periscope their responses. Couple of Butler Buildings, concrete pad to support machinery loading, movers and a power hookup. So in a nutshell Ruger and Springfield are now on the list. Folks like me are willing to kill for them. If you dont like their price dont buy. Two more companies added to my do not buy from list. CTD is my last choice. Search Ruger anti gun. Never give one inch or miles will be lost. see: gasoline supply during any natural disaster where the govt threatens to prosecute profiteers. Springfield could have fought thisor vocally opposed it on its way to potential passage. You can not name another firearms manufacture today that has done more than Ruger to support the NRA, the 2A and firearms owners. Are you reading-impaired? Not saying you have to like what happened, but its soviet Illinois, it was going to happen with or without their opposition. I swear its getting hard to keep track of them all by memory. And gun control wins, like this keep the gravy train flowing so they can continue to draw a paycheck and keep on going. It was a great decision, I have never looked back. And their ammo prices were astronomical. Bill is long gone and the last 15yrs of Ruger leadership have taken a much different stance. WebSo What Happened At Rock River Arms & Springfield Armory??? Rock Rivers AR builds are superb, and they come in at a price thats quite reasonable (starting at $1,585). They make a so-so M14 copy that can only stand up because Norinco cant export their el-cheapo copy here anymore. What should be boycotted is this garbage blog. So, buying 5 and selling 4 is the limit. Today, we have nearly one dozen gun control groups working in Illinois. In the end, the timing proved fortuitous to all involved. Come to find out the guy had paid triple for the supply to be trucked in so people could have them. If Rauner is serious about re-election he will veto this flaming sack of shite. Pick something and follow it. Or cameras? You have entered an incorrect email address! Its not difficult. Your opinion and yourre entitled to it and welcome to voice it here, though it seems you prefer that others not voice theirs if they disagree with you. I put 3.5k rounds through it before a malfunction. I was going to buy the Saint, seemed like a.nice rifle, now.they can piss up a rope. The vast majority of companies can do what they want to, but have have to insist that firearms companies fight for the 2nd EVEN WHEN ITS NOT IN THEIR COMPLETE SELF INTEREST TO DO SO. They are a leader in the firearms field with a vast array of products that work correctly. Hes told several industry types that he had no contact with IFMA lobbyist Jay Keller and knew nothing of this carve-out. The Springfields looked to be a good value. So how is screwing your loyal customer base and flipping them the bird to their faces sound business policy? And dont give me this they have changed nonsense. is like a chicken voting for Colonel Sanders. Includes larger .1555 MSRP: $111.99 $75.81. 3/18/2013. Rock River Arms guarantees this pistol will shoot 2.5-inch groups at 50 yards with 185-grain Federal Gold Medal Match semi-wadcutter ammo. That is sooo repetitious! Is Rob Leatham going to stick with Springfield after this debacle? I have a BM-59 kit that still needs to be built. They are good weapons but I Cant help but feel betrayed when I look at them now. So Rock River spent at least $50.000 fund the Illinois Firearms Manufacturers Association. I hate to say this Tony, but you are completely clueless about lobbyists. The firearms community will be better without them. Start by giving everyone involved a TSA-style probe. All things considered, a Henry Big Boy in .44mag is more likely to see the inside of my safe than a M1A1. They have no ethics. Thank God we have a Rural King now here local. CTD does our best to price our products at market value. So an opportunity to block others selling in Illinois seemed like a quick and dirty way to make a few more bucks. If you dont support Ruger you dont support American ideals. Oh yes, the Senator behind the bill has many skeletons, http://chicago.suntimes.com/news/illinois-state-senator-don-harmon-law-firm-makes-millions-from-state-agencies-pension-funds-the-watchdogs-oak-park/. If CTD notices panic buying, shuts down their site and reprices everything, thats their right. RRA will wind up being an LE only shop. Yes, very disappointed. RRA looks pretty darn guilty or pretty darn incompetent. Watch the TonyBen videos on YouTube. I think that if gun owners boycotted every company into oblivion that had to compromise at some point there wouldnt be any gun manufacturers around. And if stooges like you thought this could be run under the table without anyone noticing, well, guess you should be mindful of your business in the next few quarters. WebRock River Arms LAR-15 Fred Eichler Predator 223 Remington/5.56 NATO AR15 Semi Auto Rifle $ Remove from Compare Add to Compare. They see deep-blue Illinois as a great place toenact more of their gun control schemes. Post interesting results everywhere. IMO, this last election postponed the literal civil war Ive been advocating for for over 10 years. Maybe they should look to Beretta. A Rock River two-stage match trigger or even a 3-pound single-stage trigger would be a recommended upgrade. Enjoy 45% Off Rock River Arms Goods At Walmart. Your arguments are supercilious and embarrassingly logic free. Its easy for consumers to march elsewhere, skilled Illinois tradespeople may not be so lucky. County fairs? Some times they have deals. See below for more information. Tennessee welcomed Beretta with open arms and the employment of a lot a lot of people in well-paying jobs. The innovation and embracing of modern ideas weve seen the last 10yrs (MSRs, suppressors, polymer everything, etc) never would have happened under Bill. This would appear to be financial suicide by Springfield. IRS records have also been found that shows Reese is on the board of IFMA. If you sell more than 9 guns per year, you are in the business of selling guns. The more concentrated the producers and sellers of firearms becomes the easier it will be to controlled and monitored. This attention to accuracy is especially evident in Rock Rivers new model, the Advanced Tactical Hunter V2 (ATH V2). When no one else had any left. As far as the betrayal, bear in mind that it was the act of a couple of people and unfortunately there are plenty of freedom loving 2nd Amendment supporters working for SA that will be harmed by their bad judgement. Local politicians always give tax incentives to move. Along with lost new sales, this boneheaded move will kill resale values. If workers still want a job, its a reasonable commute. I know people who continue to not buy Ruger even after his kids made up for the old mans traitorous ways. Rock River's LAR-458 is the top pick for hunters because of its value, excellent trigger and superb accuracy. Or companies selling imported crap that pretend to be American. No more. Granted, the company isnt run by a Henry these days but I thought the paper trail of ownership was fairly clear and unbroken. There is too much crap that I dont have a choice on (can you believe EVERY RV tire is made in China? Wheres the proof they had enough influence to dictate what that organization did. Beretta (ex-MD) and Remington (ex-NY) make your statements look foolish. thats the one ive just stopped considering. Well after reading this and let me add no love for blue Illinois my days with SA are over. Thankfully, we still have two more chances to stop this travesty of a bill. The Illinois Manufacturers Association will continue to fight and protect not only manufacturers, but dealers and the gun owner as well.. Illinois cant shut down a business that way No there is no way around it, RRA and Springfield decided their Illinois customers where not worth the trouble. No wonder were in trouble, POTG are clueless. God Bless America, As a dealer I will no longer suggest either one of these firearm companies to my customers or stock them there are many other fine firearms on the market. Magpul moved to WY. Defending Your Legacy is obviously just a marketing slogan for Springfield. If CTD notices panic buying, cancels prior sales and refunds them, so it can resell stuff that belonged to its customers, thats not their right. I bought my first Rock Its not just selling, genius. That was just a small part of the problem. If theres a silver lining here, this law should be shot down by the courts. Rock River booth at the NRA convention, owner Chuck Larson has professed innocence in the matter. Any combination of buying or selling that exceeds 9 is a crime if youre not a dealer. I can promise that none, and I mean none of my not unsubstantial refund, is going to wind up in Springfields receivables account. That said, this just breaks my heart to see this moron Reese damage the brand. Anyway, at least for now, I will bide my time and see if Springfield repents and takes positive actions to atone for their irrational IL acts. Most places, its still over $1500. If youre looking begin your 3-Gun or short-stage PRS competition endeavors, the Rock River Arms RRAGE 2G may be your ticket. If youve already implemented them, great. So, youre not buying a bunch of Springfields new pistols? I asked one. Henry and Ruger get my votes for Americas Gunmakers. Im a New Yorker. Please focus on customer relations and positioning strategies. Kahr moved out of NY. Rock River Arms sent me a 6.5 Creedmoor rifle with a tan stock and 24-inch barrel for testing. Another dealer told me he wished Springfield well. How does a company respond to pernicious laws and an atmosphere which is detrimental to the People of the Gun? As for Winchester still keeping an eye out for someone selling Grandads old 94 thats beat to hell but still shoots straight so I can beat it up a bit more. Meaning they are NOT a legal lobbyist. I imagine that there will be a few FFLs leaving IL. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. It is the fault of the people in Illinois. My hard earned money is going to be spent at Ruger. Probably hard now to sell it for half what you paid if at all. After Ruger (finally) gets all of its new products launched they will have just about all the bases covered. Fuck Ruger as well. So thats a reason for ignoring the fact that Ruger basically wrote the assault weapons ban? They hate freedom and absolutely love all powerful Government. LAR 8 is a nice weapon. Dont own a Springfield anything and now never will. Make the bill political kryptonite. Its a freakin disaster. Huh? We can live without them much better than they can live with out us. SA created it). As a long-time, dedicated anti-gunner, this wasnt Senator Harmons first legislative rodeo. Rock Solid: Rock River Arms NSP CAR Rifle. Why does Ruger all of the sudden get a pass on treachery? Springfield, on the other hand, has gone silent. So, if youre looking for a cheap AR-15, Rock River Arms probably isnt the best option. One dealer told me hes pulling Springfield product from his shelves to give his salespeople a break from carping customers. To whom will they sell? You shouldve made that decision because it is a piece of garbage, not because of this hysterical article. Layoffs to follow. Who Makes Rock River Arms? I will now buy another LAR-8 in case you idiots force RRA out of business. If you know youre going to lose 50% off sticker driving something new off the lot, odds are you keep looking. As for Springfield Armory, Im really sorry to see them cross over to the dark side. AND everyone that the lobbyist represents must be in agreement. SA, who knows, maybe they can retool to make manure spreaders. Maybe there is a Mrs. Reese or someone or something burning cash on the side (gambling, drugs, who knows) that is consuming profit faster than SA can generate it. Same here. Rock River Arms has Rock River Arms built its reputation on quality semi-automatic AR-pattern rifles and 1911 handguns. If they pull funding from the group well have some decent evidence that they didnt and dont support this carve out and are catching crap for something which they had no part in creating. So many good options, why buy from jackasses. If you want to scope your BM 59, there is a company that makes a direct over the bore scope kit for Garands that fits the BM59. But they were happy to allow their lobbyist to finagle them a carve out. Yes, a company can move and thrive, as it only a matter of time before the cutout is removed and they are closed down. Well, not basically, they did. This is income tax refund time. Shame! Its pretty much just SA and RRA (and maybe a few tiny shops, but those are pretty much the only two big gun makers in Illinois). Find Senators and Representatives in close political battles last election and get their previously defeated opponents on board. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Repeating_Arms#History. Didnt you read this article? We need to defend our legacy from the likes of them !! They ONLY DO WHAT THEIR CLIENTS TELL THEM TO DO. (3) Rock River Arms LAR-15 Tactical CAR A4 223 Remington/5.56 NATO Carbine $ 684.99. Rock River Arms is an American manufacturer of firearms that was founded in 1996. Nobody moves a company to New York (Remington has moved most out). Not now. Thats kind of where Im at as well, REALLY pissed Im not going to be buying the Socom II Ive been saving for. More interesting question: can Springfield even attempt to disavow at this point? Thank you for bringing this issue to the forefront. If signed into law, the bill his lobbyist declined to oppose will drive many dealers out of business with its onerous and expensive restrictions and requirements. Does anyone really buy RRAs BS, We didnt know? Personally hate to hear whenever CEOs or head honchos make public decisions costing their employees jobs/money. Henry? Whats the hangup for SA? Thanks for Nothing SA. Join up with other interest groups if common goals can be found. Free Shipping On Most Rifles, Upper Halves And Complete Lower Halves. it You cannot exempt large businesses from onerous regulations that you impose on small businesses. You can bet our sport; Henry wouldnt have gone along with that. Its called doing business. The local ones are more like highway bandits than gun dealers. Going the other direction nobody would move. Plenty of folks out there shooting LWRC, ArmaLite, DPMS who would argue theirs are reliable, accurate, & mo betta too. 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